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Re: $5.00 Diesel - time to put her up on blocks!
From: PerfectReign <theperfectreign(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: $5.00 Diesel - time to put her up on blocks!
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 09:02:03 -0700
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heav turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
> On May 25, 6:33 pm, "Roger Shoaf" <sh...(at)nospamsyix.com> wrote:
>> "heav" <p...(at)inyopro.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:c587719e-1cb0-42c5-a863-8daa33ef4953(at)m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > If nuclear power is such a great idea, why won`t the private insurance
>> > companies insure it? Without government guarantees, all nuclear
>> > plants would have to shut down today because no private insurance is
>> > available.
>>
>> Guess they would have to shut down France also.
>>
>>
>>
>> > The best idea here in California for electric cars is to mount solar
>> > panels on your roof to capture sunlight and convert it to electricity
>> > to charge the batteries in the car.
>>
>> Ok explain the economics to me here. How much would it cost for the
>> panels?
>> and how much would it cost for the equipment to charge the batteries? If
>> I work during the day it would also seem to me that my car would be at
>> work, so I guess I would need two sets of batteries and swap them out
>> either when I get home from work or in the morning before I go to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> > On an industrial scale and a central power generation model, large
>> > solar farms can be built out in the desert and used to separate
>> > hydrogen and oxygen to fill fuel cells which can be transported to
>> > fueling stations for hydrogen powered cars.
>>
>> Really? How many acres of solar panels would it take to make enough
>> hydrogen to run a semi accross country (3,000) miles?
> Trust me, the desert is huge. There are environmental preservation
> factors that have to be considered there as well, but I read recently
> that 19% of the vacant desert area of Arizona receives enough sunlight
> to provide all the energy needs of the current U.S. economy.
I was reading in popular science about the rebirth of the mirror generators.
Using sunlight direct to DC is inefficient and expensive, while sunlight to
heat a steam (or oil) turbine is very cheap. We have one in southern
california, and apparently are going to get several more soon.
Still, having a solar array on my roof wouldn`t be bad either. I`ve been
looking at it for some time.
Either that or somehow take extra - erm - methane after the pizza parties
and converting that a-la Mad Max.
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From: Chip <chip.wood(at)ieee.org>
Subject: Re: $5.00 Diesel - time to put her up on blocks!
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:55:13 -0700
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PerfectReign wrote:
>> that 19% of the vacant desert area of Arizona receives enough sunlight
>> to provide all the energy needs of the current U.S. economy.
>
> I was reading in popular science about the rebirth of the mirror generators.
> Using sunlight direct to DC is inefficient and expensive, while sunlight to
> heat a steam (or oil) turbine is very cheap. We have one in southern
> california, and apparently are going to get several more soon.
>
> Still, having a solar array on my roof wouldn`t be bad either. I`ve been
> looking at it for some time.
>
OK, enough of these grand edge of tomorrow ideas, what about the
backyard. I live in the suburbs of Phoenix. I have the world`s best
(and free) source of drying and heat about 350 days a year.
BUUUUUUUUTTTTTT, my HOA does not allow a clothesline or a water solar
panel, even if the street or my neighbors can`t see it.
Chip
From: PerfectReign <theperfectreign(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: $5.00 Diesel - time to put her up on blocks!
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:40:15 -0700
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Chip turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
> PerfectReign wrote:
>
>>> that 19% of the vacant desert area of Arizona receives enough sunlight
>>> to provide all the energy needs of the current U.S. economy.
>>
>> I was reading in popular science about the rebirth of the mirror
>> generators. Using sunlight direct to DC is inefficient and expensive,
>> while sunlight to heat a steam (or oil) turbine is very cheap. We have
>> one in southern california, and apparently are going to get several more
>> soon.
>>
>> Still, having a solar array on my roof wouldn`t be bad either. I`ve been
>> looking at it for some time.
>
>>
> OK, enough of these grand edge of tomorrow ideas, what about the
> backyard. I live in the suburbs of Phoenix. I have the world`s best
> (and free) source of drying and heat about 350 days a year.
> BUUUUUUUUTTTTTT, my HOA does not allow a clothesline or a water solar
> panel, even if the street or my neighbors can`t see it.
HOA`s - the #1 reason for advocating anarchy! :P
You could also install a nuclear power reactor. Just go to the local 7-11
and purchase some U
Here in California, I`ve found that the state will offset some portion of
the costs
http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/erprebate/tax_credit.html
I`m also seriously considering this type of system now -
http://www.greendiesel1.com/index.html - I know the big issue with many is
having to start in cold weather. However, in an area where the temperature
never drops below 50 Fahrenheit, I can`t see the problem. Considering I`ve
seen $5.01 and up for diesel and I can get veggie oil delivered for $2.50,
it is a no-brainer.
The only thought is between Lovecraft or Elsbett and running something like
50% WVO. I suppose I could go with a two-tank system, but not sure of the
actual benefits for a warm climate like here.
I`m thinking that - even if it costs a bit more in the short-term - the
benefits long-term will be substantial.
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